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Post by gpet on Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:05 pm


hi

Hi All...

I'm wondering if you've all got this same information regarding the award which dog groomers now come under. So apparently we now come under the Modern Miscellaneous Award - which can be found on www.fairwork.gov.au by searching for it by code MA000104.

Most salons i know employ most of their staff on a casual basis, including us. According to the award, casual employees will now be paid the minimum wage, as detailed in the award, plus a loading of 25%... PLUS an added penalty of 45% for Saturday work. The loading and penalty rates are being phased in over 5 years, so you pay one additional fifth of it each year, for the next five years. So you pay 5% loading and 9% penalty this year, which become 10% and 18% next year, make sense?

Sorry if i'm giving info that everyone has already dealt with here, but i was having a conversation with a salon owner in WA today and she was a bit shocked, as she was unaware, so i was wondering what everyone elses thoughts were.

It's great rates... it's just that for so many salons we work Tuesday to Saturday, so that's the 'working week' so to speak, and if Saturdays will end up costing too much to run, do we need to close Saturday (busiest day) to open MOnday instead?! Or charge a Saturday surcharge (i can see the client's faces now!)

it's not an issue for me now, because our pay rates are not affected this year - but after 5 years it's sounding expensive! Although it may be relative as grooming prices will also go up... but still, it's a fairly big leap. Suppose we'll consider looking more at full-time employment if it works out more economical..

anyways too much thinking for a friday afternoon... but i'm keen to hear your thoughts. Smile

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Post by Susanne on Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:35 pm

For the small salons it will be difficult for Saturday pays, I guess they would have to weigh up the difference the Saturday revenue makes to their bottom line, would they generate the same income if they opened Mondays instead, some customers just can't do weekdays so it may mean losing some. I have some clients who own their own small independent supermarket and I like their idea of having staff during the week and they do the work themselves on the Saturday......

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Post by C.C on Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:31 pm

I have heard of some salons using 'contractors', paying a percentage of the dog. That way they don't have to pay super or anything.
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Post by Susanne on Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:34 pm

that is such a better option, I have to say tho, how will salons that don't subcontract deal with paid parental leave, personally I don't agree with this at all, but how would you deal with it?

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Post by yapidiyap on Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:32 am

I don't feel that there should be a different wage for Saturday. I don't think it should matter which day of the week you work, but if you work over 5 days a week in a row, then on the 6 day (or set amount of hours per week) penalty rates should be paid regardless of the day. I also understand the argument for salons to hire people for only a few days on a casual basis to avoid the penalty rates, super, etc. That's fine, as long as the casual rates are more generous than the permanent rates. I used to own a shop for a few years (not grooming) and I understand the issues about pay on both sides.
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Post by yapidiyap on Sat Aug 21, 2010 8:36 am

C.C wrote:I have heard of some salons using 'contractors', paying a percentage of the dog. That way they don't have to pay super or anything.


To be a contractor you must have other work elsewhere. The place of work cannot be the sole place of income. I'm not sure of the percentage, I think it's pretty low.
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Post by poochpamperer on Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:46 am

When worked at a salon on a sub contract basis there were other groomers there also on sub contract and that was their only job. Our percentages started out at 50% when we first started working there then they went up as we gained more experience an bought more of our own equipment.
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Post by yapidiyap on Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:05 am

Here states the differences between employee and contractor by workcover.

http://www.workcover.nsw.gov.au/insurancepremiums/Policies/Whotoinsure/Workerorcontractor/Pages/default.aspx
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Post by gumsgrooming on Sat Aug 21, 2010 10:52 pm

Like yapidiyap As far as i knew to be a sub contractor you must work in at least 2 places, i.e. someone who works out of a vet clinic a couple of days a week and out of a salon the rest of the time.

This website might help distinguish an employee from a subcontractor http://www.smallbusiness.wa.gov.au/employee-or-subcontractor/

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Post by Susanne on Sat Aug 21, 2010 11:45 pm

hmm, I guess it depends on the interpretation: Do they provide services to the general public and other businesses? everyone has to start with one, they can't automatically start with two or more, therefore, you can provide services or advertise to provide services, but whether you provide to one or ten?
""someone who works out of a vet clinic a couple of days a week and out of a salon the rest of the time."" so is this one paid employment (vet) and one sub-contract (salon)? or both sub-contract?

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Post by gpet on Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:46 pm

as a sub-contractor, don't you need to have your own insurance also?

hmm, well update on this - apparently no award applies to dog groomers now. I was told there were lots of enquiries etc and a decision was made that we don't come under the miscellaneous award, or under veterinary practice award (which includes animal attendants etc in clinics) and that only minimum wage, NES conditions apply...


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Post by Chris on Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:12 pm

So true, groomers have no classification, from memory it is called Federal Minimum Wage (FMW) at $14 something an hour for full time and I know it is $17.17 per hour for a casual as I was making inquiries on casual rates.

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Post by bourkejm on Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:00 pm

in my salon i pay the girls a wage which is taken off the animal welfare award.. the full time casual amount is $16.73ph and then there is a saturday loading of 11.15 per saturday.
i havent gone into the contract side of things as im am not sure how it works. the girls seem to be happy with this award and i have checked if this was correct with Fair work government department. i hope this helps maybe some of you pay ona different award i would love to know what some of you guys do with pays etc. cheers jane
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Post by Cessnock on Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:34 pm

I have just employed my 1st casual staff member this week & set everything up to suit our industry.



We are under the award MA000118 Animal care & Veterinary services award 2010
A full qualified dog groomer is only entitled to a level 1 award.

You can find the actual pay rates for age/state by going to fairwork.gov.au & using the pay check option, use animal groomer as the search ..this will give you the modern award amounts...



Here in NSW casual adult is $18.68ph adult ..& Saturdays $28.02 ph (time & a half).


My casual is only a bather/dryer ...I do think that its a bit silly that her pay rate is the same as a qualified groomer....but that the Gov for ya :S

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Post by Susanne on Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:33 am

but if it the extra staff help the bottom line, she would be worth every cent regardless of qualification
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Post by groomer on Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:06 am

pretty low wages really though all round. No wonder salons can't find groomers if that is all they are paying.

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Post by Chris on Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:14 am

At least the pay rate is more than Maccas lol!


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Post by gpet on Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:21 pm

Hmmm ok so apparently this has come up again... Got email today from PIAA outlining IR Update for Groomers. Apparently it's official now, decision has been reached by Ombudsman:

In a nutshell the Ombudsman has advised:
(i) that if the business has ‘significant’ retail sales – but also does Dog Grooming – the General Retail Award will apply.
(ii) If however the business primarily does dog grooming, but which may include some ‘incidental’ sales of goods – then the Miscellaneous Modern Award will apply.

If you go to the Fair Work Website you can find each of these awards and their relevant conditions etc - what do you all think?

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Post by gpet on Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:29 pm

Oh, and I would also be interested to know how you would define each of the Levels... in a grooming salon.

As in, Level 1, Level 2, Level 3, Level 4 employees... Obviously the
actual tasks performed as well as experience would be taken into account
but i'd love to know a bit more about how you'd go about deciding which
level an employee would be classified as. I just know from experience
in other industries that my friends/family have had it's quite difficult
to go up a level, if that makes sense?
How would you go about deciding on the level classification in your salon?

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Post by Cessnock on Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:11 pm

very interesting...do you have the code for >>>....(ii) If however the business primarily does dog grooming, but which may include some ‘incidental’ sales of goods – then the Miscellaneous Modern Award will apply.


Wonder how it compares to the Vet award. In which a groomer is only a level 1 employee :-)

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Post by gpet on Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:17 pm

The code is: MA000104 for the Modern Miscellaneous Award. The changes are transitional so it isn't a huge sudden change for most I don't think - but last I spoke to them and had it confirmed on several occasions we groomers came under the National Employment Standards (minimum wage)...

but yes will be interesting to see how it compares to what we're all currently doing. Good to finally have a decision made at least.

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Post by angelsmum69 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:07 pm

I know this is an old subject but it is of interest to me whether, on a casual rate, the employee is expected to supply her/his own clippers/blades/scissors/brushes? I have been sub-contracting to a small business for the past few months and I am being paidd $20.30 an hour. Out of this I have to pay my own equipment and expenses.  Of course I don't supply the bathing equipment or shampoo, but I do have to pay my own tax out of this as well.  Other companies I've worked for I brought home 50% of the dogs I groomed!  But this was mobile businesses and I groomed the dog entirely by myself (no bathers or dryers).  I suppose it also depends on what standard the dog comes to you after it's bath and dry.  Whether it is still matted and need brushing out etc?
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Post by angelsmum69 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:08 pm

I would like to add I didn't 'take home' any dogs - I meant to say 50% of the money received from grooming the dogs! lol.
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Post by UNM on Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:12 pm

The national minimum wage is currently $16.37 per hour or $622.20 per 38 hour week.
Casual employees covered by the national minimum wage also get at least a 24 per cent casual loading.

That does not, I assume, apply to a self employed sub-contractor. Typically, if you provide your own tools, you would charge a higher rate than casual employee rate.

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Post by Chris on Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:01 pm

Groomers are covered under the MA000104 - Miscellaneous Award 2010

25% is the casual loading
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